Sangha Spotlight: Marty Stemmerman

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Marty Stemmerman

Sangha SPOTLIGHT

Interview

May 2018

Sangha SPOTLIGHT

AN INTERVIEW WITH CLEAR LIGHT SANGHA MEMBER MARTY STEMMERMAN OF EUDORA, KANSAS

May 2018

Clear Light Sangha: “Marty, tell me a little bit about your upbringing; where you were born, your family situation, that kind of thing.”

Marty Stemmerman: “I was born in 1959 in Greeley, Colorado. My dad was a Methodist minister. He was actually in seminary in Denver when I was born. We lived in Colorado until I was about 10. Then we moved to Wyoming. I did most of my growing up in Wyoming and then we moved to Montana for a little bit. So, we lived along the Rocky Mountain range all of my growing up which was really lovely.”

“My family was pretty dysfunctional, and my dad was pretty violent. I went through a lot of abuse as a kid both in my family and there were instances in the church, also. So, that became a tough thing. It was really important in the small towns in which we lived that everything looked like it was just perfect in the minister’s family. And, you know, it just wasn’t. I was the kid that was always kind of acting out and letting people know that things were not perfect. That got a lot of attention in my family.”

CLS: “How many kids were there and where were you in the line-up?”

MS: “I have two sisters and I am the middle one. My mom was an English teacher and, bless her heart, she did her best to try and make things look like they were OK, but they weren’t. It was pretty tough on her, too. She was fairly rigid as we were growing up. She had so much to deal with. Part of my teenage rebellion was the usual drugs and alcohol and that kind of thing and then I dove into Pentecostal religion.”

CLS: “Wow! That was a switch!”

MS: “Yes! That was tough for my parents, especially my mom. She told me once, ‘I liked you better when you were on drugs.’ Ha ha! I was a real Bible-thumper for a while but there was something about that that was really helpful in my spiritual development. I think it brought things alive for me. There was a more of a personal, experiential component to it that I hadn’t experienced before in the Methodist Church.”

CLS: “Can you tell me more about the Pentecostal experience. I’m not that familiar with it. I mean, does that mean speaking in tongues? Rolling in the aisles?”

MS: “Speaking in tongues, hands-on healing, Bible studies and prayer circles. I was in high school when I was doing this and most of the people I was hanging out with were in their 70s and 80s. Ha ha! It was an interesting kind of switch. I kind of isolated myself.”

CLS: “What strikes me is this spiritual longing that was so alive in you.”

MS: “Yeah, I always had this spiritual longing I think, from the time I can first remember. I feel so blessed to have grown up in the mountains because that was the one refuge that I had. I can remember, as a kid, looking out at the foothills or the mountains and knowing that if I had to escape my family that the earth would take care of me. I just had that sense of it. I had this real connection to the earth. And so that was a part of it for me.”

“And I think the Pentecostal thing was a bit of rebellion. I knew it would piss my parents off. Ha ha! But also, it never made sense to me that we would go to church and read these prayers out of this book that made no sense to me and sing the songs that nobody seemed to understand. There was no joy and no life to it. I was really looking for something that had life to it. That was true of the Pentecostal church, you know. I was just in that for a couple of years, but it was enough to give me a kind of taste of a living connection to spirit.”

CLS: “You mentioned that it isolated you a little bit?”

MS: “Yeah, it isolated me from my friends because I was a real Bible-thumper and very, you know; ‘This is what you need!’ Just that obnoxious kind of person. Ha ha! But I had this beautiful, personal relationship with Jesus at that time which was very healing for me. I really needed a lot of healing so that was the beginning of that for me.”

“I fell deeply in love when I was in high school and that kind of put an end to the religion thing. He was older and was pretty wild. My parents did not approve of him. So, they came between us.  I was 18 at the time and he was 25 and there were other complications. But there was just this tremendous love… It was my first taste of love. I hadn’t been loved as a child. I look back on that and I think to myself, ‘Well, they tried to love me but...’”

CLS: “I think the truth is that very few of us have experienced real or unconditional love as children. The dysfunction just gets passed down through the generations and our parents ended up doing whatever style of parenting they got. So, how did they get the boyfriend away from you?”

MS: “They moved to Montana. I was in my last year of high school. Once they got me away from him there were lots of ways in which they continued to come between us. They didn’t let me have access to the car, they didn’t let me answer the phone, they intercepted our letters and that kind of thing.”

CLS: “Of course, in their minds, they were saving your life.”

MS: “I look at it now and I think that I would’ve done the same thing as a parent. I understand that now. But I’m telling you this now for a reason. It kind of shaped my life.”

“Then I went to college in Billings, Montana. My sister was going to college at that same school and my dad was a minister there in Billings. I think it was the same time that Sharon was in that area but I didn’t know her then. I went through my first year of college. I started dating a guy, Steve, and got pregnant and we got married. I didn’t finish school. He was a radio DJ at the time. We were living in Billings and then Great Falls, Montana and he was in school and being a DJ and I was raising our baby. He lost his job and the economy there was really bad, so we moved to Kansas City. His parents were in Kansas City and his grandparents had all grown up in Lawrence, Kansas and so that was where we gravitated to.”

CLS: “Family gets to be so important when you have a baby. Suddenly, it’s like, ‘Who can help me?’”

MS: “Right! And my parents were going through a divorce at the time, too, and I was all about putting some distance between them and me. My dad had left and married my mom’s best friend. He had lots of issues. He was accused of sexual harassment by several different secretaries and there was a lot going on. He wasn’t mentally well. Looking back on it, I can see that there was some mental illness there but, growing up, I didn’t realize that.”

CLS: “It’s amazing what we come out of.”

MS: “Yes, it really is.”

CLS: “So, how did it go?

MS: “You know, Steve and I had a pretty sweet relationship for a long time but we are really different. Bless his heart, he was 19 when we got married. I raised sons and when they were 19, I thought, ‘Oh, my God! If they had to do that!’ But he really stepped in and did what he needed to do. He was a good guy and a good father but we just had a lot of differences. We were married for 18 years and then went in our own directions. We had two children. They are 10 years apart.”

CLS: “What was going on with your spiritual life while you were married and raising your two sons?”

MS: “When we moved to Lawrence, I had pretty much given up on the Christian thing. We tried to find a church and be Sunday school teachers and youth group leaders and that just wasn’t working for either one of us. But I was still having this, just this longing. I can remember after my oldest son Luke was born in Billings, I went through a period of agoraphobia where I just had a really hard time leaving the house. I think part of that was that I was finally in a safe place. I never felt safe up until then and then, all of a sudden, it was like, ‘I’m not leaving!’ Ha ha! So, I really struggled with that.”

“Then we moved to Kansas City and it was tough but I had to find my way. I had to get out and find a job and do things. You know, necessity brings on healing sometimes. Moving to Kansas City was really kind of shocking for me; to be in a city like that after having grown up in Wyoming.”

CLS: “So, you got a job. Had you worked before?”

MS: “Yeah, I had worked through high school and that one year in college at a nursing home as a nurse’s aide.”

“We lived in Kansas City for a year before we move to Lawrence in 1983. Lawrence is almost a bedroom community of Kansas City. It’s about a half an hour to an hour away. I started to really feel this spiritual longing once we moved to Lawrence. I was trying to figure out how to raise my son and really needed something. I can remember just praying one day, not even knowing who I was praying to at the time but just saying, ‘I need some help. I need something!’”

“Not long after that, I took Luke, who was about 5 by then, to a bookstore to pick out a book. As we were walking to the children’s section, this book on Native American spirituality fell off the shelf right in front of me. I picked it up and looked at it and bought it. It just kind of opened something up for me. It was describing what I have felt from the time I was a kid; that my spiritual expression was felt more in nature and through the earth.”

“Right after that, I came across a flyer about a class that was starting in Kansas City called Sacred Circles. It was being taught by this guy named Nate Scarritt. Nate had been an apprentice to Sun Bear for seven years. He was teaching, kind of reluctantly. Ha ha! And he was just this beautiful teacher. And just kind of what I needed at the time. He started a pipe circle that still goes on. Through this I found my spiritual expression again. And a spiritual community, which was very important.”

“Nate was just this beautiful, generous, loving, wise teacher. I kind of kept an eye on him for a while, you know. I kept my distance because I didn’t really trust men who were in spiritual positions. He just came from the heart and was so genuine and really brought a lot of depth to his teaching.”

“This was before he met Sharon. So then, pretty soon, he starts bringing this beautiful woman with him. And I really saw something in her.  Sharon kept inviting me to join her circles. I was still pretty wounded.”

“At the time, Sharon was just so dedicated. I think she was living in Manhattan, Kansas which is maybe 90 miles away, traveling to Kansas City, to Lawrence, to Topeka doing these women’s spiritual circles that she called Inner Voice. And she kept inviting me to them and I kept being resistant. Like, ‘I don’t know why you’re inviting me. That’s for somebody different than me.’ I think a part of me was afraid that she would see who I was. When I think about that now, I know that’s Sharon’s gift; she did see who I was beyond all the crap. She started reflecting that back to me. That was so beautiful and so healing. Nate and Sharon have been in my life ever since. I got to raise my kids around them. What a gift.”

CLS: “What about your husband at this time? Was he interested?”

MS: “Yes, he was. Steve went to pipe circle and sweat lodges and all the things that we were doing at that time. He was very interested, but he approached it from a different level than I did. I’m not sure how to express that accurately. But it was really beautiful that we got to do that together. When Luke was little he would come with us to all these things and that was part of his upbringing. He was around Sharon and Nate a lot. Daniel was born around that time, also. Steve and I are still good friends. I still consider him family though we’ve been divorced for about 20 years.”

“So, Sharon was encouraging me to come to the women's circles and I finally did, though it was difficult for me. Around the same time there was a woman in the pipe circle who had offered to do healing work with anybody that was interested. She was working with Michael Harner who wrote The Way of the Shaman.  I began to work with her and the healing through that work was profound. Then I started learning shamanic journeying as a personal practice. Later, it developed into my guiding other people in shamanic journeys.”

 

“But, Sharon… It took a long time for me to open, but I needed her and I sometimes still do for this: she reflects the light back to me when I forget who I am. She held that vision for me so steadfastly. And she just wouldn’t let it go. It really brought me into a place where I could start to see that for myself. And that's where that light really started to unfold in me. That was a huge part of my healing.”

CLS: “It sounds like you were completely and totally absorbed in your spiritual side. Did you have any other interests, any hobbies or anything else going on in those years?”

MS: “Mostly, it was spiritual. That was the focus. I always loved poetry. I have one of those little school day books where you wrote down what you wanted to be when you grew up. What I wrote every year since I was in kindergarten was I wanted to be a poet. I wrote poetry, and through my 20s I was doing that. And then that kind of fell away. I still read poetry and I adore poetry but I haven’t written very much. I’ve always kept a journal and that kind of thing. I’m writing right now but not so much poetry.”

CLS: “How about your life as a mother, how was that for you? Some people really like cooking, like cleaning, unlike me!”

MS: “I adored being a mother. I still adore being a mother. I think that at every age my kids have been I have fallen in love with them in a different way. But I was not the best mother and I definitely am not domestic. There were places, especially with my oldest son, where some of the patterns of my childhood started coming up. That’s when the healing became urgent, like, ‘Oh, my God! I have to do something. Right now!’”

CLS: “The great imperative for a parent, right?”

MS: “Right. So that was really, really important for me. I swore that I would never even come close to that [anger] and then, a lot of times it would happen so fast, I couldn’t even stop it. That’s where those patterns would come out. It took a lot of healing work, a lot of therapy. I did some work with Sandra Ingerman. Part of the shamanic journey process was a process called soul retrieval and that was a really important part of my development.”

“Sharon and Nate were just so elemental to all of that. Sharon just kept reflecting back to me that I was more than I could see in myself. I think that that was huge. It still is, it’s huge. Sometimes when I need to remember who I am, it’s her that I turn to. When Sharon and Nate moved to Colorado, things shifted quite a bit then. I don’t remember exactly when it was that they moved to Crestone but it’s been a while.”

“So, Steve and I started drifting apart. We just had very different interests and needs. He was very social and I was very introverted. As far as our lifestyles, what we each needed - it wasn’t meshing. We decided to go in our own directions and still continue to be friends and parent our kids together. We still have our holidays together and that kind of thing.”

CLS: “So, you and your first husband got divorced and then he met your second husband. How did that happen?”

MS: “It was less than a year later that I met Tony. That was a very good marriage. We were together for 13 years and we were pretty happy. During this time, Sharon and Nate had met Adyashanti and then Sharon started to teach in that lineage. I helped Sharon when she was first starting out. I was her assistant and helped organize retreats and that kind of thing. Tony would come with me to satsangs and retreats sometimes. He was very open. By the time we got together, Luke was pretty much grown and Dan was still around, mostly.”

CLS: “What did the two husbands do for a living?”

MS: “Steve, my first husband, was in school a lot of the time we were married. He was a Montessori preschool teacher when Luke was little. Both of us worked as Paras in the school system.  Then he got his certification and is a Special Education teacher now. Tony was a handyman and chimney sweep when I first met him. He painted houses and did roofs - that kind of stuff. Nate and Sharon married Tony and me. That was really beautiful, really sweet. They did a beautiful ceremony.”

“At that time, I was working in a Unity Church as an Administrator and so it was an easy thing to apply those skills to what Sharon needed. Being her assistant didn’t last a long time. Then she moved to Colorado.”

CLS: “That must’ve been a big deal when she moved away from you.”

MS: “It was! It was huge! Ha ha! I had these fantasies of moving with them; all of us moving to Crestone. They’ve both been so dear to me it was hard to have them so far away.”

CLS: “Were you going to see Adyashanti or any of the other non-dual teachers?”

MS: “Not at that time. Mainly, I was doing a lot of journey work at the time and leading circles. It’s interesting because I just felt so complete with Sharon. I didn’t feel like I needed other teachers. I continued to do trainings in shamanic journeying and related aspects. For the most part, I didn’t have a lot of money to travel or go to retreats, so I was always delighted when Sharon came out here and did retreats. I have done a couple of retreats at the Zen Center.”

“Sharon was such a pivotal part in so many really important experiences in my life. My mom died unexpectedly while I was in satsang with Sharon. I had just left satsang and I got a message that my mom had died during a routine surgical procedure. Nobody expected this to happen. So, I was able to just turn the car around and be with Sharon and that was very comforting. There was something about having been in this beautiful satsang and being so expanded in my energy that I was actually able to witness the transition process that my mom was going through. I had this connection to seeing or feeling some of what she was going through, as well as going through my own grief.”

“It really opened something in me of the understanding of the fact that the light that we are just never goes away. My mom and I had had a real difficult relationship. We had started to work on healing it about five years before she died and we were getting closer. But there was still a lot of residue there. I discovered that I was still able to continue that healing with her through that connection. It’s so mysterious. How do you describe what happens when we die? I don’t think it’s possible to really say but the healing was really still very available to me.”

CLS: “And so, did you sense her presence? And was it a healed presence? From the Oneness?”

MS: “Yeah, I sensed her presence and, yes, it was a healed presence. Absolutely. It was immediate, what I saw, because you know, here I was thinking, ‘Well! I was trained in shamanic journeying, so I can help you!’ And all of a sudden, I was seeing this light that needed no help from me! Whatsoever! So, that just opened me up or helped me to remember, more than anything.”

CLS: “I’ve experienced that even those souls who are challenged right up until the minute they die, once they pass over, they join with the Oneness and the light. Then they are available and beneficial to all.”

MS: “I think part of what I’m here for, is to understand more about that. Or, at least, that’s what’s really captivating me right now; our continued connection with people that have passed. Also, I feel like some of our dysfunction in this culture comes from our fear of death. And closing ourselves off from that limitless possibility. Who we really are as eternal beings is that light, you know. To try to express that feels important to me right now. I’ll tell you more about that in a little bit.”

“And so, my mom was a doorway with that and Sharon, she was right there. I don’t think I would’ve been open enough to experience that if it hadn’t been in satsang during the time that she died. It was just grace.”

“Another pivotal experience with Sharon present: I had plans to go meet Nate and Sharon in Denver to go see Mother Meera. My dad had had Alzheimer’s for some time and was in a nursing home. I wasn’t very close to him. I kept some connection but really had to keep some distance, also, because he never got better. I was afraid to have him around my kids and that kind of thing. So, I got this call that my dad was possibly making his transition that weekend. I had to choose between going to Denver to see Mother Meera or going to Florida and being with my dad.”

“I just got the clearest message that I was going to be more help to my dad away from him then I could be with him. I was in the front row and as people went in silence to approach Mother Meera, as each person came up, I would just envision them as my dad kneeling there, being healed. I was told that if I could hold the vision of who he truly is, that it would assist him. He already had been hanging on for a long time and I could feel that he was afraid to go. And so, I just did that. I was the last person to go up to see her. So, I did this with each of those 300 or so people who were there.”

“My dad didn’t die at that time. He got better. He still wasn’t well but he wasn’t dying anymore. And I just continued that practice. Every day in my meditation, I would just see him for who he truly is without all the junk attached. I don’t know what it did for him, but for me, it was incredibly healing. When my dad did die, I had another amazing experience around his passing, and have had much healing continue since then.

 "Around that time, I had been having dreams of this first love that I told you about.”

CLS: “The older guy you were with when you were 18?”

MS: “Yeah, the older guy that my parents had prevented me from seeing, George. I had dreams about him throughout my whole life. But shortly after my mom died they got urgent. It was distressing. I would have these dreams about him in a wheelchair or in a hospital and wake up and feel like I had to find him. My husband, Tony, helped me look for him. We found out that from Wyoming he had moved and lived in Kansas City for at least part of the time that I was here. We would find these addresses in Kansas City and go look. Tony had this deep respect for the work that I was doing. I was really happy in my marriage and wasn’t concerned about finding somebody else or anything like that. We both felt like George was dying and that there was something that I was supposed to complete with him.”

“Finally, shortly after my dad died, I found this address on the internet back in Wyoming and I just knew it was George. It was close to his birthday and so I sent him a birthday card. He called and we connected. One of the first things he told me was that he was in a wheelchair. And it was kind of like, ‘Why are you telling me you’re in a wheelchair? I know you’re in a wheelchair.’ And then I realized that I had not talked to this guy for 30 years. I did not know he was in a wheelchair.”

“A second thing was about his name. In my shamanic journeying I work with a spirit guide whose name is Wolf Two Legged.  I call him Wolf.  He had been my teacher in the spirit realms for over 25 years.  So, the second thing George told me was, ‘They don’t call me George no more.’ I asked him, ‘What do they call you?’ And he said, ‘Wolf.’ I was stunned.  I soon discovered that he had also had a shape-shifter-wolf spirit guide who had come in to teach him, about the same time that my teacher, Wolf Two Legged came in for me."

"George/Wolf was in an accident in 1995 and had a spinal cord injury and was in a wheelchair after that. He said he had nothing else to do but sit and listen. He had never been exposed to spiritual teachers or read spiritual books. All his information came directly from spirit. He was a powerful healer.”

“I was scheduled to go to Santa Fe for a training with Sandra Ingerman and instead, I went to Wyoming to try to figure out what was going on here. I went with Tony’s blessing. I got up there and the first time that I looked in George's eyes I felt safer than at any other time in my entire life. And I just knew I was home. And it was like just one of those things, like, what do you do? Here I had this beautiful home and a beautiful, loving husband. And here was this beautiful man… He wasn’t going to live a long time, I knew that. And he actually lived longer than I thought he would.”

“I had made arrangements to pick up Sharon after my trip to Santa Fe and bring her back to Kansas City. And so, here I was in northern Wyoming. I stayed up there for a week. Then, I went down to Crestone and picked Sharon up. I thought, ‘Oh, my god! What a beautiful thing to have Sharon captive in my car for 10 hours just as I was coming back to my other life and trying to figure out what the heck I was going to do.”

CLS: “Wow! What a position to be in! And there Sharon was again!”

MS: “Yes. She’s just been so incredible in my life. She just previously had been to Nevada and this Ute elder woman had been talking to Sharon about choice and she said, ‘Oh, honey! We don’t make choices. Life just picks us up and puts us where it wants us to be.’ Sharon just told me that and her beautiful expression of, ‘Well, just tell the truth. And the truth will lead you.’ So, that’s what happened. I ended up going to Wyoming and living with Wolf for three and a half years.”

CLS: “How old was your younger son then?”

MS: “He was 20 and had already moved out. But neither one of the boys were very happy about this as you can imagine. Tony was very supportive and great when I first moved out there. We talked on the phone a lot. Wolf and I would come back for holidays and we would all eat dinner together. Both my ex-husbands, Wolf and the kids. It was maybe too much for everybody, but it was what I thought everybody should do. And they went along with it so… Bless their hearts.”

CLS: “Wow! Goddess!”

MS: “Then Wolf started to get better. He started walking. It was really amazing, the shifts that took place in him.”

CLS: “Was it clear that he started to get better when you stepped back into his life?”

MS: “Well, you know, love is an amazing thing. I think that there was really some kind of contract that we were supposed to be together. It was a difficult transition for me. I wasn’t really thrilled about the town we were living in. Though we were close to everything I loved, Devils Tower - which has always been a really sacred place for me - Devils Tower, and the Big Horns and the Black Hills. The town we were living in was a coal mining town and had a really hard edge to it. I had a really hard time finding anybody that I could talk to with any kind of similar spiritual language.”

“There were some amazing times. I had grown up close to this town near the Big Horn mountains. The Big Horn Medicine Wheel was close by there. We had this little place in the Big Horns where we would run and hide when we were together in the 70s because we weren’t supposed to be seen together in this little town. That became a place where we would go camping. Sometimes we’d get up in the middle of the night and go to Devils Tower because we could, you know. Beautiful times together in sacred places but I was still often struggling with the adjustment and sorrow over all I'd left behind.”

“There was a time we were in the Black Hills staying in a Deadwood hotel so we could drive around in the mountains during the day. While we were eating, George choked on a piece of steak and I had to give him the Heimlich maneuver which almost didn’t work. It completely freaked me out. That night, I had a dream: This young woman came in and they called me down to the lobby. She pulled these papers out of her briefcase and she said, ‘We want you to know that we came to take him today but you’ve been granted an extension. We want you to sign these papers to acknowledge the fact that you understand that this is just an extension.’ It was just crazy. I normally have not had a lot of dreams or remembered my dreams. But those kinds of things were happening.”

“I was working in the high school. It was the 12th day of January in 2012. I tried to call Wolf and he hadn’t answered the phone. I just had this feeling in the pit of my stomach. I came home. He was still warm so I wasn’t sure. But I could feel him up above me, over my left shoulder.  He had passed. I didn’t know that grief could be so torturous. It felt like everything being torn out of me. It was pretty tough for a while.”

“I thought that I would have dreams about him because I dreamed about him my whole life. I didn’t dream at all. There was just this grief. I wasn’t remembering my dreams and I didn’t feel connected to spirit at all during that time. Then, Sharon had a spring retreat in Missouri that I did every year. I went, but I was having a really hard time being silent. Normally, that isn’t difficult for me but it was during that time. During the retreat, in that beautiful expansion, I could feel him come in. And what he said was, ‘Do you feel how big I am? When you make yourself so small, I can’t reach you.’ That was the beginning of an unfolding for me.”

CLS: “How blessed to have those relationships in your life. Unbelievable!”

MS: “Yes, and I am so grateful. I just think about having Nate and Sharon in my life since I was in my 20s. The grace of that has just been amazing to me. I say prayers of gratitude for them every day. They have lifted my life up more than anything I have known.”

MS: “So, I came back to Lawrence shortly after Wolf died. But while I was still up there, I took his ashes to the little campsite that we called home. It is in a beautiful, little red rock canyon called Ten Sleep Canyon. Wolf had told me that was where he wanted his ashes scattered. As I was taking his ashes there, I was talking to him in my head all the time but not really believing I was hearing him. I pulled into our little spot and I heard his voice say, ‘Darlin', you need to put a key out in the campsite somewhere so that you don’t lock yourself out of the car.’ I did my typical thing and I argued with him, ‘I’m not gonna lock myself out of the car.’ Well, I did. The next morning, I got up, the dog went running and I went chasing after him and slammed the door and suddenly realized that everything was locked in the car. It took like a day and a half to get somebody out there to get me back in my car. Fortunately, we had gone there often enough that we knew the camp host; this 80-year-old lady who we just adored.”

“After that I thought to myself, ‘OK, I need to start writing some of these conversations down that I’m having with him.’ I started doing that, I started writing our story. The pieces are getting compiled but I haven’t quite gotten it complete. I haven't settled on a title yet.

CLS: “So, it’s a memoir specifically focused on your relationship with him. Are you still having a lot of conversations with him?”

MS: “Yeah, probably more now than ever, actually. It feels like the light is surging right now, do you feel that?”

CLS: “Yes, I do I feel that. It’s never been so palpable to me.”

MS: “Yeah, right. That’s just making everything more apparent, and more is easily getting through to someone like me who has such resistance sometimes. It’s helping to clear some of that out. Part of my vision right now is to try and help people to be able to know that healing can still happen after they lose somebody. That connection still goes on. So, I’m doing some teaching again and leading a spiritual development circle; the kind of work that Sharon started out doing. Basically, it’s a small group of women. We’ve all been on a path of some sort. They are varied paths but everyone’s open to explore. I’m wanting to work more with people that are grieving. So that’s a part of what’s happening for me right now.”

CLS: “In closing, is there anything else you’d like to say?”

MS: “Sharon is just the embodiment of love. Once you realize that in yourself, she is so wonderful at being able to reflect that back to you, that divine love that we all are, that, often times, we forget. Sharon is that perfect mirror, that perfect reflection and she holds steady with that even when you can’t see it for yourself.” 

Sherry Summers